Tailor-made Christianity vs. Moral Eclecticism
Re: Why I am not a Christian. At the risk of having broad-brushed Christians into one manageable stereotype, allow me to state in my defence that I am aware that there are religious moderates out there who suggest a less literal reading of the Bible, whose focus is more on the life of Christ and select aspects of his teachings of brotherhood and love, who naturally will oppose the banner-waving fundamentalists with whom they happen to share the same religious label. Christians of this type often cite the ideals of Jesus’ teachings in the defence of their faith, whilst happily turning a blind eye at the mention of the countless atrocities contained within the Old (and New) Testament as though they were simply irrelevant to the issue. It is my contention that this position is in the whole indefensible; for the merits of Jesus’ teachings pale in comparison to the doctrine of hell which he propounded, or to the primitive condonation of genocide or slavery which, as even well-informed Christians are themselves aware, is so distinctive a feature of the so-called holy text. This is not to discredit the worth of Christ’s teachings, but to weigh them upon the moral scale from which Christianity emanated. The central tenets of Christianity are not one of a striving after morality but rather a striving after Christ. The two are not synonymous in the plain fact that Christians readily admit that we fall short of God’s goal of perfection for us, and thus cannot with any likelihood of success strive after virtue for itself without first accepting His salvation. This remarkable piece of obstacle is what invalidates the tailor-made version of Christianity as being of any moral stature, because it requires an acceptance on the believer’s part that humanity, being flawed as it is, cannot be left to its own worldly devices in the noble pursuit of moral perfection. Thus the Christian cannot strive after morality for itself, because he has already conceded that any such attempt is but an exercise in futility. This, to me, points conclusively to a theology of not a moral but a highly eschatological orientation, and any Christian’s attempt to mask it with claims of abiding by Jesus’ teachings falls short in justifying his adherence to said religious label on grounds of an unwitting (if not insincere) appeal to the moral betterment of the self.
The dangers of religious moderatism have been addressed elsewhere by other writers, namely Sam Harris, in so pithy a manner that I should not have to elaborate on the topic further than to state the mere obvious. It is a strange circumstance that one who claims himself to strive simply after Christ’s message of love and good conduct should feel the need to attach himself to a label which is so vile and spoilt as Christianity is. It is of an even stranger circumstance that he should wish to do so in the knowledge that his adherence to such a common label is what enables fundamentalists to hide or thrive in the shadow of his numbered existence. Moderates and fundamentalists alike endeavour to defend their label; however, these labels carry very different meanings and so have very different implications altogether. In the case of the moderate the label implies a system which is less dogmatic and more practical to the moral conduct of his daily life. To the fundamentalist it involves imposing his religious values upon those which do not wish to conform to his dogmatically-informed expectations, often through the democratising or manipulation of law. Yet the fundamentalist position is more Christian in the sense that it more truthfully adheres to the values as espoused in the Bible, some of which are so vivid in meaning and intent that they can hardly be said to be open to any kind of secondary interpretation on the reader’s own part.
To ensconce in a single doctrinal label in pursuit of moral excellence is to insist satisfaction or complacency in the idea of being restricted to that one particular worldview and that alone. The fact remains that one should never need to consider oneself a Christian in order to be able to appreciate the worthy lessons as can be derived from the exemplary life of Christ. Any person who is sincerely interested in moral pursuits would surely know to select his morality from a multitude of sources, rather than from one. Moreover, to adhere to a tailor-made version of Christianity is to willingly participate in a corrupt enterprise in the full knowledge of its vilest crimes against humanity. A mind vested in the interest of moral goodness should feel it almost an obligation to stand up against any doctrine which has so repeatedly exposed its truest colours from since the time of its earliest inception. To do otherwise is to play blind, to turn the other cheek, or to refuse to speak up for oneself in the spirit of what one feels or knows is right. The parable of sheep and goats surmounts to a create a doctrine premised in fear — and to produce followers who are unwilling to stand upright on their own feet in the fear of eternal punishment. Religion survives for the sole reason that it continues to attract a sufficient multitude of followers who, in their numbers, rally to justify its make-believe significance. The commonest weapon it employs is Fear, and Fear binds the moderate and the fundamentalist as one.

What is the moral scale you are using, and what is its source?
Also, in context, please give me the verses you claim to be a condonation of slavery from the New Testament.
Also, I would encourage you to do a word study on the NT source word for slavery.
Or to study the New Testament Condonation of Genocide.
(I am focusing on the New Testament because your claims address Jesus.)
Clue is in the title.
I was actually referring to the Old Testament, but to my understanding Jesus did not outright condemn it either.
Ok so your using Old Testament passages.
How do you know they are talking about slavery in context of our modern understanding of slavery?
Also, if you are going to say what scripture says, go to the source. This link is to the Lenningrad Codex. The oldest complete OT Hebrew Text.
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm
It is clear to me what slavery entails in the Old Testament:
http://www.rationalchristianity.net/slavery_ot.html
Needless to say, your arguments would fare better on an apologetic site.
http://veritasmizzou.wordpress.com/2011/08/02/slavery-in-the-old-testament/
How do you know the sources you cite are correct?
You could indeed, go to an apologetics blog etc.
But are you really saying that a source text is inferior to bloggers?
I recently read another blogger who stated that the original text said slave (refering to Exodus 20) but it had been changed to become more acceptable in time.
I gave this person the actual text, which uses the word for maid-servant, rather than the Hebrew Eh-ved which is the specific word for slave.
He deleted it, saying it was BS, then he cited, an atheist blogger who told him that what he said was true. With out ever checking the source.
Go to sources not bloggers. Although these bloggers are correct in many ways. What I am trying to do is to encourage both atheists and believers to stop using secondary sources and actually read what they are talking about.
Not many are willing to do so.
The reason why I do not see any opportunity here for rational discourse (and have therefore, admittedly, been avoiding it) is because I am fully aware of your personal agenda and it is clear to me that so long as you go out of your way to defend slavery (or call it whatever you like) the point I made in the article above will always hold true. In no context, “slavery” and the toned-down version of “indentured servitude” alike, are passages as Exodus 21:20-21 ever justifiable, morally. Your shameless vigour to defend scripture at all cost only goes to confirm my original observation that the faithful in general are happy to indulge in outdated moral values, so long as their religion permits it.
I have not stated my agenda. I am, as you can imagine, a Christian.
I cannot defend something, (ie scriptures) until you argue from scriptures.
The only thing I am defending is academic integrity.
Which is why I have asked you some questions that should challenge us to go deeper, and thus discover truth in deeper sense.
When we accept truth at the surface level, that is when we accept truth as per wiki and bloggers.
When we go deeper to discover real truth we go to source material, such as the one I gave you.
You made the comment that “by your understanding…”. It should never stop there. Our own understanding is often flawed.
So we use Cartusian Doubt, in that we doubt our understanding, argue it, research it, then strengthen or change it completely.
I was trying to get you to look at the source, as a way of doing this.
I do not understand why so many Atheists are afraid to do this.
It is the same as Christians who are afraid to read “Origin of Species”.
Also, am I defending slavery? How so?
I also think that answering the question “how do you know your sources are reliable?” might be a good discussion.
However, if things go as they usually do, your probably not willing to answer those questions.
I would like to get to point where you can prove me wrong.
But not many are willing to have those deeper conversations.
But it is in those conversations, and only in those conversations with people with differing agendas that we learn.
I assumed you had the wherewithal to realise that the link I supplied contained direct references to biblical passages re: slavery, and that you are at all times invited to look them up in your preferred version or translation of the text if you so desire. Clearly, I assumed incorrectly.
Ah, I think you misunderstood what I mean by “Source material”.
First, off someone quoting he Bible is not “Source Material.”
It can also be said that our modern English Bibles (though I don’t agree per se) are not source material.
The link I gave you is not just another version of the Bible, but the Lenningrad Codex, which is the oldest known complete Hebrew Text of the OT.
It is supported by the earliest known copies of the Septuagint and the Qumron scrolls.
That is what I mean by source!
If you go beyond the first few google links, you will find a wealth of real knowledge beyond other people’s blogs.
You have argued against my “Wherewithall” my “personal adgenda” and morality.
But, as these kind of arguments are about ideas. I am waiting for you to disagree with my premise. My premise being that the material you provided as proof is not proof compared to the actual Hebrew text of the Bible.
I like arguing about ideas. Your premise is founded upon your incapability or unwillingness to appreciate the information provided by secondary sources on sheer grounds that they are in themselves not primary sources. But you are mistaken to assume the premise. I did not present the link http://www.rationalchristianity.net/slavery_ot.html as incontestable proof of any sort but as reference to Biblical passages which can then be checked against the LC. In the same way are English translations of the Bible secondary interpretations of an older text, but they are in themselves, to varying degrees of accuracy, representations of their direct antecedents, and so cannot be easily disregarded on grounds of being secondary alone. In any case, I believe you will find that looking up said passages in the LC in hope of a saner humanity can and will only leave much to be desired.
I LOVE this blog. It is eloquent, succinct and right on. I cannot believe the reaction I still get from people when they discover I am not a believer (I’m a teacher.) That cracks me up! They would rather say I am a non-believer than use the word atheist. What DO you believe? they ask. In morals, my friend. In morals.
The reason you’re are not a Christian (at least at this time) is in the Bible.
Perhaps you’re not Elect?
(Individuals chooses to salvation Psa 65:4; Mat 24:24; John 6:37; John 15:16; Act 13:48; Rom 8:28-30; Rom 9:10-24; Rom 11:5-7; Eph 1:3-6; Eph 1:11-12; 1The 1:4; 1The 5:9; 2The 2:13-14)
If you are Elect, then one day the Lord will call you out of your deadness & blindness and you “WILL” become a Christian.
(The Father writes his own word upon (places the fear of himself in, etc.) his people’s hearts Jer 31:33; Jer 32:40; Mat 16:15-17; Luk 10:21; John 6:45; 2Cor 4:6 The beginning of salvation is the sovereign impartation of spiritual life into a heart which had been dead, thereby causing it to exercise faith 1John 5:1; Eze 37:3-6, 11-14; John 1:11-13; John 3:3-8; John 5:21; Eph 2:1-5; Jam 1:18; 1Pet 1:3; 1John 2:29 True offers of grace in the outward gospel call may be resisted by men who do not have this new heart Act 17:32-33 In fact, true offers of grace will always be resisted by such men John 10:24-26; John 12:37-40 But there are some whom God causes to come to him Psa 65:4; Psa 110:3; John 6:37-40; Rom 9:15).
Or, perhaps you are reprobate, and God will leave you to die in your sins.
(Individuals to condemnation Exo 4:21; Rom 9:13; Rom 9:17-18; Rom 9:21-22; 1Pet 2:8)
God is not obligated to save you or anyone for that matter! Although he has indeed choosen to save a multitude inwhich no man can number.
Here is a good source for you that talks about slavery. The truth is we are either slaves to sin or sons of God. There is no in between.
http://kingjbible.com/john/8.htm
34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. 37I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Christ follower, the truth is that you are wrong and your god does not exist.